Re: Open Euphony -- for "offline" Euphoria discussions
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) May 11, 2016
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( It was created in response to some remark in an old posting. Unfortunately the person I was targeting did not join.)
Doesn't "offline" mean it's unofficial, no one will read it, and it doesn't matter? Who did you want to shunt away from talking in the forum that matters?
Hello Kat, nice to hear from you.
Thank you for the sentiment, but i must tell you that regarding OEu, nothing has changed in the years i have been away from here (except for Matt and Derek leaving, and Jeremy left before i did). Ergo, i feel the same, and i wish i didn't.
Agreed.
It was a "proof of concept" to show that, with a small community, all discussions have to be on this forum.
I agree. Despite, i just "signed up for" on google, got the confirmation email, followed instructions, and nothing happened. If participating requires a google account, it won't happen for me.
Sorry to hear that. I tried the same and didn't even get a confirmation email, so at least you are in good company.
No forum member gets shunted away from this Forum.
There is a post, which i made yesterday, still held in moderation that refutes a post regarding participating.
In my reply to that post, I explain how it fails to actually refute anything regarding participation. Thus, I don't see a need to reproduce those statements here.
The ideas in Open Euphony should be revived, but on this Forum. It just shows that things that move slowly can get even more sluggish.
I agree, but no one has actually improved OEu code base in years,
I disagree, as Shawn is actively maintaining it.
it's stalled dead.
Agreed. Shawn has recently stated that he's not interested in doing a release ( http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/129481.wc ) and in any case is not allowed to perform a Windoze release alone. ( https://sourceforge.net/p/rapideuphoria/mailman/message/29989816/ )
Aside from Shawn, only two other people have ever done a complete release, and both of those (Jeremy and Matt) have left. (Though Ira / Jerome did produce a beta, but Ira is no longer active either, having last been seen Jan 19, 2016.)
I have one remaining feature request for OEu, and other people have said they want it also, but it will never happen.
I can't remember what that is. But unless Shawn is interested in implementing it, you're probably right, it's not likely to happen.
I'll bet 1) there's no more official OEu releases (there's no new code
I'd argue that this has already come to pass.
and no recogniseable officials),
euphoric, ghaberek, ChrisB, and myself are still around. And, of course, _tom.
and 2) there will never be an official irc include for OEu, even tho there's been calls for it and i have posted a lot of working and proven irc code.
My plan regarding this was to wait for ryanj's FluidAE and then "borrow" his irc code.
But, that looks even less likely now as IRC is an "obsolete" protocol.
Wordpress dropped it:
The WordPress project uses Slack as its main real-time communication platform, replacing all previous communication platforms such as IRC and Skype. When compiling a list of things people liked about our previous communication methods, it was obvious that Slack was all of that and more [...]
https://make.wordpress.org/chat/
Even on the mIRC forum, people are wondering if IRC is dying out: http://forums.mirc.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/220679/Is_IRC_dying??
(Of course, not everyone there agrees. And IRC as a whole certainly looks more alive than OE. Alas...)
I say this only to show OEu has been so sluggish for the last 4 years that nothing has changed!
Agreed. In full. The blame for this lies entirely on me, for introducing a code freeze in a vain attempt to get the next release out.
(Except that more valued people have disappeared, and i disregard the last "official" release because of bugs in it.)
Agreed. This is also my fault, since - rather than do the leg work of putting the release out - many valuable coders who wanted to implement new features probably went off to work on other projects (that had no code freezes) instead. This lead to a net loss for OE overall.
The good news is, with all the hard work petelomax has put into it, Phix is looking more alive and more interesting than ever.
http://openeuphoria.org/forum/129591.wc#129591
Since Phix is written 100% in Phix, in principle it should even be easy to add a trivial eval() statement to it.
So there may be a light at the end of the tunnel - dropping the RDS-derived OE in favor of making Phix the official language.
