1. Suggestions for RDS
Hello,
This is just my opinion, but...
1./
As someone said in an earlier post, the listserv is NOT sufficient. More
often than
not, my posts don't even make it to the list. As well, I spend a lot of time
sorting
throught the 'Junk' that I'm not interested in.
I believe it is essential that Rob investigate a better forum, where posts
are sorted
into topics AT LEAST! Please Rob, if only for the benifite of RDS. I've done
some
investigating in the past for RDS, as well as for my own site, and I do agree,
that the
free boards are just too much a pain in the behind. Not to mention, I don't
think they
would like the idea of a Commercial business utilizing their FREE forum.
I've seen many that allow users to select which topics they would like to
have sent
to their email. This I like very much. This allows the users to keep in touch
with topics
of interest. Although, they would still have to check the forum periodically for
new
topics.
2./
If RDS would implement a chat board on the site, I think that's the only way
that Eu
will have one. Otherwise, it's just too difficult to coordinate it without the
support of
RDS.
3./
A project board!! What better way to congregate users of similar interest?
This
would also allow, people to team up much more easily, making development of new
libs/progs extremely faster.
4./
Like Ray said..
A polling list. Where users could add their comments, and/or suggestions.
Allowing RDS to see exactly what the public demands. Though I don't like the
idea of
having to pay extra for more features. My main attraction to EU was that it was
free in
the beginning. After using it for quite a while I was very happy to pay for a
registered
version. BUT, IMHO, as Eu stands it IS still just a hobby language. And if it
were a
commercial development langauage, I would have NEVER been attracted to it.
5./
possibly set up a way for the more sophisticated libs/progs to be
compensated for
their efforts. Unfortunately, although I like the idea of the micro-ecomomy, it
isn't
sufficient compensation for the work involved to get anything out of it. Has
anyone
earned enough Eu$ to pay for the latest copy of EU? I personally could care less
about a $5 discount on my purchase. (And that's typically a LOT of coding to
earn
even that much EU dough). Especially considering that the users who will be
motivated by the micro-economy, are mostly newbies, looking to possibly earn
their
reg'd copy of EU.
At least consider the top four. This will benifit RDS above and beyond even the
users.
But will also help to organize, production of better quality, apps and libs that
will
benifit everyone including the progress or Euphoria.
Any comments anyone?
Chris Bensler
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2. Re: Suggestions for RDS
I forgot to mention...
if time is a factor in website development. Perhaps people on the list would be
willing
to help out? I for one would be glad to.. though my HTML skills are limited.. I
DO know
what I'm doing. And I know how to look up info for whatever I don't.
Chances are.. this would mean including java.. ( Sorry Kat )
But of course that could be limited to the minimal required, and I think that
even Kat
would trust RDS. Or for that matter, I'm thinking the only place it would be
needed
would be for the chat room, which I think Kat has the most expertise in anyways.
Maybe link the chat room to her favorite IRC.. sorcery.net
This could be a group effort. I'm sure there are plenty of you out there who at
least
partially agree with me. And considering the current chaos of trying to
communicate
through the listserv, I think it's definitely worth a try.
If Rob isn't willing to do a makeover on his site, then I suggest we collaborate
and
create an independent user designed site devoted to EU progress.
The only thing that rest in the lap of RDS, is wether or not they are willing to
overhaul
their site. And finding a sufficient, commercial message forum.
Chris Bensler
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3. Re: Suggestions for RDS
Hi Chris,
When running any business cost is a prevalent factor. The Euphoria list
serv is actually run by a generous friend of Robert's *as a favour*. Yes
ithe list server has limitations and yes it can be frustrating to use but
if the choice is no discussion forum at all then I, for one, am currently
willing to take the rough with the smooth.
That is not to say that I am against any of your ideas - quite the
opposite. I would love a more organised forum (of forums) for Euphoria
discussion. All the ideas you suggest would be wonderful. Just please bear
in mind the restrictions that might be "at the backend" - that is RDS's
cash flow. In time I sincerely hope these things will come. One way that
this can be encouraged is to spread the word about Euphoria (I certainly
do!) - as more interest is generated then more people will use the trial
version of Euphoria and hopefully join the list server. As more people use
Euphoria and learn is benefits via great advice from established members of
the Euphoria list server then more will be encouraged to register and hemce
provide funds to RDS. Such funds will help develop Euphoria and, I hope,
fund a better discussion forum.
Corollary:
No business is a charity but I know businesses that welcome charity!
Regards,
Andy Cranston.
At 13:03 13/01/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I forgot to mention...
>
> if time is a factor in website development. Perhaps people on the list
would be willing
>to help out? I for one would be glad to.. though my HTML skills are
limited.. I DO know
>what I'm doing. And I know how to look up info for whatever I don't.
>
>Chances are.. this would mean including java.. ( Sorry Kat )
>But of course that could be limited to the minimal required, and I think
that even Kat
>would trust RDS. Or for that matter, I'm thinking the only place it would
be needed
>would be for the chat room, which I think Kat has the most expertise in
anyways.
>Maybe link the chat room to her favorite IRC.. sorcery.net
>
>This could be a group effort. I'm sure there are plenty of you out there
who at least
>partially agree with me. And considering the current chaos of trying to
communicate
>through the listserv, I think it's definitely worth a try.
>
>If Rob isn't willing to do a makeover on his site, then I suggest we
collaborate and
>create an independent user designed site devoted to EU progress.
>
>The only thing that rest in the lap of RDS, is wether or not they are
willing to overhaul
>their site. And finding a sufficient, commercial message forum.
>
>Chris Bensler
>
>________________________________________________________________
>
>
4. Re: Suggestions for RDS
- Posted by Jason Gade <jaygade at YAHOO.COM>
Jan 13, 2001
-
Last edited Jan 14, 2001
Hi, Chris.
The last time I checked, there was already a Euphoria group on Usenet, but I
haven't checked for a long time. No one was using it.
Also, if you use the web interface, you can sort by thread. Your mail reader
should also be able to sort by subject line.
It should be relatively easy to filter out the messages and/or subjects that
you are not interested in.
I can't remember who suggested it, but I do like the idea of putting the
general subject tag (such as [GEN] [WIN] [LINUX] etc.) into the message
subject line. I think that Travis Beatty made an excellent humor post a
couple of months back with some, umm, detailed tags for subject lines.
But I guess my point is that I think that the listserv works great for most
people. Feel free to try to get people to change, though!
------
>Hello,
>
> This is just my opinion, but...
>
>1./
>
> As someone said in an earlier post, the listserv is NOT sufficient.
More often than
>not, my posts don't even make it to the list. As well, I spend a lot of
time sorting
>throught the 'Junk' that I'm not interested in.
>
> I believe it is essential that Rob investigate a better forum, where
posts are sorted
>into topics AT LEAST! Please Rob, if only for the benifite of RDS. I've
done some
>investigating in the past for RDS, as well as for my own site, and I do
agree, that the
>free boards are just too much a pain in the behind. Not to mention, I don't
think they
>would like the idea of a Commercial business utilizing their FREE forum.
> I've seen many that allow users to select which topics they would like
to have sent
>to their email. This I like very much. This allows the users to keep in
touch with topics
>of interest. Although, they would still have to check the forum
periodically for new
>topics.
5. Re: Suggestions for RDS
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:49:18 -0500, chris bensler <bensler at MAILOPS.COM>
wrote:
Has anyone
>earned enough Eu$ to pay for the latest copy of EU? I personally could
care less
>about a $5 discount on my purchase. (And that's typically a LOT of coding
to earn
>even that much EU dough). Especially considering that the users who will be
>motivated by the micro-economy, are mostly newbies, looking to possibly
earn their
>reg'd copy of EU.
Well, David Cuny has earned almost enough for TWO upgrades of Euphoria with
Win32lib :)
- Matt
