1. Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
actually, there is, the only reason i have put VE up is for testing,
basically i do not want 50 clones of VE before i finish it,and i disagree
the user contributions are not about open source, it's about showing what
Euphoria is capable of aswell as adding libraries for other users to use.
As you say 99% of them are open source so what's your god damn problem with me
being in the 1%
2. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria. I know
that's what I used it for. And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the
ones that I used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today. I learn by tearing
things apart, better than reading in a tutorial of how to do it.
Michelle Rogers
>
> From: your average Joe <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> Date: 2004/09/23 Thu AM 06:52:43 EDT
> To: EUforum at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> posted by: your average Joe <spent_memory at hotmail.com>
>
> actually, there is, the only reason i have put VE up is for testing,
> basically i do not want 50 clones of VE before i finish it,and i disagree
> the user contributions are not about open source, it's about showing what
> Euphoria is capable of aswell as adding libraries for other users to use.
> As you say 99% of them are open source so what's your god damn problem with me
>
> being in the 1%
>
>
>
>
3. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria.
Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria. Yes,
you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also make
use of closed-source programs.
> I know that's what I used it for.
And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives even
today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
> And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't hinder
those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I mean,
not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
4. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
> From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> To: EUforum at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
>
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria.
>
> Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
>
> If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria. Yes,
> you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also make
> use of closed-source programs.
>
> > I know that's what I used it for.
>
> And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives even
> today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
>
> > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
>
> There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't hinder
> those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
>
> Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I mean,
> not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
>
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
>
>
>
>
5. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archieves?
Michelle
>
> From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> To: EUforum at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
>
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria.
>
> Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
>
> If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria. Yes,
> you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also make
> use of closed-source programs.
>
> > I know that's what I used it for.
>
> And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives even
> today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
>
> > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
>
> There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't hinder
> those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
>
> Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I mean,
> not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
>
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
>
>
>
>
6. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archives?
Code reuse. Not re-inventing the wheel. etc.
DLL files aren't open source, but people make use of them all the time.
It's quite possible and not unreasonable to contribute closed source
Euphoria code to the archive so that others can make use of your procs
and funcs.
Let's say somebody writes a library for dealing with JPGs. They could
close it up, then provide a function/procedure list...
As a small example, with jpg_lib.ew you can do the following:
x = openJPG(filename) -- open jpgs
y = rotateJPG(x,90) -- rotate jpgs
destroyJPG(x) -- destroy jpgs
paintJPG(x, win_ID, {x,y}) -- display jpgs on windows
So, you don't have to see the guts of jpg_lib.ew to make use of it. You
just have to include it in your own program!
If you wanted to SEE what's inside, you'd have to convince the
author to show you (maybe by begging or by pecuniary remuneration). :)
So, you see, closed source CAN be useful.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
7. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
to benefit the users , in my case they obtain a tool for writing euphoria code
very quickly, a standard window in about 10 seconds if your slow!!
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:45:53 -0400, michellerogers at bellsouth.net
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archieves?
>
> Michelle
>
>
> > From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> >
> >
> > posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
> >
> > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria.
> >
> > Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
> >
> > If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria. Yes,
> > you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also make
> > use of closed-source programs.
> >
> > > I know that's what I used it for.
> >
> > And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives even
> > today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
> >
> > > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
> >
> > There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't hinder
> > those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
> >
> > Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I mean,
> > not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
> >
> > -=ck
> > "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> > http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
> >
> >
>
>
>
8. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
You guys aren't understanding my question........
I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed to open
source. The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it should be closed
source and not open.
Michelle
> From: spent memory <spent.memory at gmail.com>
> Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:51:33 EDT
> To: EUforum at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> to benefit the users , in my case they obtain a tool for writing euphoria code
> very quickly, a standard window in about 10 seconds if your slow!!
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:45:53 -0400, michellerogers at bellsouth.net
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archieves?
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> >
> > > From: cklester <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
> > > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 12:43:44 EDT
> > > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
> > >
> > >
> > > posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thought the archieves existed for people to learn how to use Euphoria.
> > >
> > > Well, I hope you know better, now. :)
> > >
> > > If not, it exists to feature code and programs written in Euphoria. Yes,
> > > you can learn better from the open source code... but you can also make
> > > use of closed-source programs.
> > >
> > > > I know that's what I used it for.
> > >
> > > And others use it for other reasons. I get code from the archives even
> > > today, but I'm certainly not using all of it to learn Euphoria.
> > >
> > > > And, if the programs hadn't been open source (the ones that I
> > > > used), I wouldn't be still using Euphoria today.
> > >
> > > There will always be open-source contributions. That shouldn't hinder
> > > those who want to contribute closed-source shareware.
> > >
> > > Even Euphoria itself is closed-source and shareware (by which I mean,
> > > not fully functional without a registration or fee)!!!
> > >
> > > -=ck
> > > "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> > > http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
9. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
- Posted by cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
Sep 23, 2004
-
Last edited Sep 24, 2004
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> You guys aren't understanding my question........
> I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed to
> open source.
> The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it should be closed
> source and
> not open.
Oh, gotcha. One reason: food on the table.
That is, they want to earn some dough from their work. :)
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
10. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
Yes, but I don't understand. It's still not earning any money if you put it
on the Euphoria web page for free, whether it's open source or closed
source. That's why I asked the question.
Michelle Rogers
----- Original Message -----
From: "cklester" <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
>
>
> posted by: cklester <cklester at yahoo.com>
>
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You guys aren't understanding my question........
> > I meant, what would be the reason for posting closed source, as opposed
to open source.
> > The reasons that both you and ck gave do not say why it should be
closed source and
> > not open.
>
> Oh, gotcha. One reason: food on the table.
>
> That is, they want to earn some dough from their work. :)
>
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
>
>
>
>
11. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
<michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archieves?
Just guessing here, but maybe ...
** I'm afraid that somebody would steal my code.
** I'm worried about being critisied for my coding style/habits/etc...
** I'm still working on it and it could change radically before the
final release.
** I've "borrowed" it from somebody else and I don't want it recognized.
** Its subject to a commercial, government, or other non-disclosure
agreement.
** It contains malicious or illegal functionality and I don't want
that discovered.
** I wish to charge people if they want access to the source, but
otherwise its free.
and who knows how many other valid-ish reasons there might be.
--
Derek Parnell
Melbourne, Australia
12. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
Michelle Rogers wrote:
>
> Yes, but I don't understand. It's still not earning any money if you put it
> on the Euphoria web page for free, whether it's open source or closed
> source. That's why I asked the question.
There's a variety of ways to still make some money. The source could be sold.
An ad can be embedded somehow to generate interest in the programmer's
skills. I don't know of any contributions in the archive as being sold,
but that doesn't mean it's not possible. :)
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
13. Re: Re: Visual Euphoria wont run ATT:Matt Lewis
Derek Parnell wrote:
> <michellerogers at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > What would be the reason for contributing closed source to the archieves?
> Just guessing here, but maybe ...
Yeah... what Derek said.
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
