1. I'd like to clear my name
- Posted by Derek Brown <Tidefball at AOL.COM>
Apr 20, 1999
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Last edited Apr 21, 1999
I realize this is not brief but I'd appreciate if you read it. Thanks.
I'm not a bad guy.
Greetings Euphorians. I'm the one who sent the message about All
Advantage. I'd like to apologize for that. I really only meant to share it
with everyone else. Yes it's true that my account would grow with referrals,
and the more referrals I have the more money I make from it. DUH!! Ralf,
you're a genious! No kidding. Personally, I thought nothing was wrong with
that. I scratch your back by telling you about the service, and you scratch
mine by putting me as the person who referred you. I figured everyone on the
group considers each other 'buddies' (we all have something in common), and
what's wrong with telling your buddies? If I was a no one who sent messages
about a porn site then yes, that was spamming. Anyway, enough with that.
Ralf, if you want to keep bringing that up after I apologized then so be it.
Just prove how immature you are. I said I was sorry. I can't change the
past. What else do you want?
Then, the ridiculus. A new person wrote a message asking for help on
storing sequences to a file. So I told him about a library I wrote. When I
logged on tonight we all got a message from Gabriel Boehme (who is working on
his own file IO library) saying I "shamelessly promoted my library" and how I
should have recommended the standard get and print routines. My library
enhances those routines, especially for the storage of multiple routines.
That would defeat the purpose of having it if I didn't recommend it to
someone. And all I told him was I wrote a library, here's how you find it,
and then I mentioned that it had binary and ASCII routines. That's it. Hey
Gabriel, get a life. I think you see this as some competition between us
two. I don't work like that. I don't care who gets the credit, let's get
the job done. I'm most familiar with my own library, so I recommended it.
If the guy needs help he can ask me, the one who wrote it and knows it best.
Get this: A week ago I asked Gabriel if he wanted to work together to make
a very good file IO library. He turned it down. No big deal until now. I
realize he doesn't want to do something unless he gets full credit. And
he'll even go as low as to make me look bad in order to accomplish that end.
Ridiculus. Not relevant to programming Gabriel.
To be honest, I hope someone writes a library that is better than mine!
That's what this list is all about, to help one another. I just recommended
my library because it gives you functions more advanced than the standard
routines. I SWEAR GABRIEL, YOU'RE BEING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE BY TRYING TO WORK
AGAINST ME, BUT THAT'S FINE. WHAT YOU DID TO ME IS SHAMELESS. YOU ATTACKED
ME WHEN ALL I DID WAS RECOMMEND A LIBRARY THAT I WROTE. GET A LIFE! YOUR
JEALOUSY HOLDS YOU BACK! I DON'T THINK LIKE YOU... I DON'T CARE ABOUT
GETTING CREDIT. A GUY NEEDS HELP, SO I SUGGEST MY OWN LIBRARY. BIG DEAL.
I've figured it out though... Ralf wrote EDOM, he attacked me. Gabriel is
writing his own, he attacked me. My guess is that they're working together
(or there is some hidden agenda) and will soon have a pretty good file IO
library out. I'll be the better man and suggest the following. Good luck.
If it's better than random.e, then good. We've made progress. I don't care
who gets the credit.
Again, sorry for the spam. And thanks for your time. Ralf and Gabriel, if
you reply to this, you're just showing how immature you are. I was wrong
Ralf, let's get over it. Hey guys, how about a truce. Let's put this behind
us. Otherwise, we'll piss everyone off on the list, make ourselves look like
12 year olds, and not be productive in the programming department.
Derek Brown
2. Re: I'd like to clear my name
> I've figured it out though... Ralf wrote EDOM, he attacked me. Gabriel is
> writing his own, he attacked me. My guess is that they're working together
> (or there is some hidden agenda) and will soon have a pretty good file IO
> library out. I'll be the better man and suggest the following. Good luck.
> If it's better than random.e, then good. We've made progress. I don't care
> who gets the credit.
Lol. Actually, I thought Gabriel'sresponse reponse to your message was kind of
'inappropriate'.
And I dropped my own EDOM, because it kind of did the same as Gabriel's routines
did, but his routines are just better at it.
> Again, sorry for the spam. And thanks for your time. Ralf and Gabriel, if
> you reply to this, you're just showing how immature you are. I was wrong
> Ralf, let's get over it. Hey guys, how about a truce. Let's put this behind
> us. Otherwise, we'll piss everyone off on the list, make ourselves look like
> 12 year olds, and not be productive in the programming department.
A little unfair to state replying to his is immature, but I assume you meant a
flame like reply. As to your library and the
'efficient' version of get/put, you can't really compare those, can you ?
Gabriel disliked my edo_save () and edo_load () interface according to his
documentation, but the reason I had for such an
interface, is the mere fact that unlike with 'random' access, such as provided
with your library, the length of records is
_unknown_. I can understand Gabriel choice as well though. You can easily
convert a program using get and put this way. And I
can also come up with tons of programs where random access is a must, and the
binary print/get is just not the smartest thing to
do. Visa versa, in many cases where you 'once' have to load-up lots of diverse
data, created by an Euphoria program, or when you
want to store 'states' of variables, without any hassle, there is no way around
using get/print and for larger amounts of data
the more efficient bget and bprint.
As to your 'spam', the reason I initially responded was more the
'set-an-example' and 'fed-up--with-spam'. Your message was
somewhere in the grey area and it was just a direction I instinctually
(spelling?) refused to want to go to. Sort of like with
genetically altered food. Currently its not a bad thing, but is a direction we
want to head ? A similar discussion. Anyway, my
apologies as well, and more especially to the rest of the list-server as well.
My reply was most likely as irrelevant to most as
yours.
Now, to give this mail some 'euphoric'-meaning and as to my secret agenda... I
am developing a library also offering certain IO
functions. Actually, its a library offering a number of features. Including
classes (oh, no, not another class library !, trust
me, it doesn't even look like another wheel.) , structures, key-association
classes, logbook-classes, fake-directory classes
offering multiple current-directories, allowing you to use relative paths to
change the one of these fake-current directories
and relative file+path-names. It offers many new wildcard and sequence
manipulation routines, including 'search' (dimensionally
free 'find'), 'search_match', 'replace', 'replace_match', separate,
separate_match, melt, merge and turn. And they're all done,
except for the documentation and some example programs. You can download it
already from my site, which is even more incomplete
than it used to be due to reconstruction, although there are no broken links,
just 'removed' links.
Now, lets put this 'soap box' behind us. I will try to minimize my mails the
next few weeks, because I feel (and I think, you
and Gabriel should too) that our activity this last week was a bit dominating
and I'm sure many (silent) subscribers are feeling
and thinking the same.
Ralf
3. Re: I'd like to clear my name
I trust you will all forgive me if I attempt to defend myself here on the
list.
Derek Brown wrote:
> [snip] A new person wrote a message asking for help on
>storing sequences to a file. So I told him about a library I wrote. When
I
>logged on tonight we all got a message from Gabriel Boehme (who is working
on
>his own file IO library) saying I "shamelessly promoted my library" and how
I
>should have recommended the standard get and print routines. My library
>enhances those routines, especially for the storage of multiple routines.
>That would defeat the purpose of having it if I didn't recommend it to
>someone. And all I told him was I wrote a library, here's how you find it,
>and then I mentioned that it had binary and ASCII routines. That's it.
Hey
>Gabriel, get a life. I think you see this as some competition between us
>two. I don't work like that. I don't care who gets the credit, let's get
>the job done. I'm most familiar with my own library, so I recommended it.
>If the guy needs help he can ask me, the one who wrote it and knows it
best.
Actually, the only person who has been mentioning this alleged "competition"
between us, is you. Perhaps there is a reason for this?
I will attempt to ignore your insulting and presumptive commentary on my
character, and stick to the facts. I reprimanded you for exclusively
mentioning your own file I/O library in response to a request for general
file I/O help, primarily because you did not even mention get() or print().
This appeared to be a continuation of the self-promoting behavior you had
exhibited with your SPAM post earlier, so, rightly or wrongly, I took you to
task for it.
Your response was to assume that I was "afraid" of "competition" between the
two of us -- a false assumption which you then used to turn around and
attack me. My initial reaction was both anger and laughter -- anger that you
would attack me based on your unfounded assumptions, and laughter that you
would post such a thing to the list for all to see. In the end, I merely
suggested (in an indirect way) that you were probably projecting your own
"competitive" feelings onto me. Your subsequent posts have merely confirmed
this.
> Get this: A week ago I asked Gabriel if he wanted to work together to
make
>a very good file IO library. He turned it down. No big deal until now. I
>realize he doesn't want to do something unless he gets full credit. And
>he'll even go as low as to make me look bad in order to accomplish that
end.
>Ridiculus. Not relevant to programming Gabriel.
As I already made clear in my private response to you, our file I/O
libraries would be incompatible. Yours allows random-access storage of
variable-length Euphoria objects. Mine would allow binary- and random-access
to old-style fixed-length records as were used and created by C, Pascal,
QBasic, and many other languages. These two libraries would serve completely
different purposes -- yours for Euphoria random-access, mine for
backwards-compatibility with old-style fixed-length binary records. They
just aren't compatible.
Again, I would thank you not to make unfounded and inaccurate statements
about my character. You are making us *all* look bad with your childish
behavior.
> To be honest, I hope someone writes a library that is better than mine!
>That's what this list is all about, to help one another. I just
recommended
>my library because it gives you functions more advanced than the standard
>routines.
The help request was for general sequence I/O to files. You shouldn't hand
an "advanced" anything to a beginner without at least mentioning the basics.
>I SWEAR GABRIEL, YOU'RE BEING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE BY TRYING TO WORK
>AGAINST ME, BUT THAT'S FINE. WHAT YOU DID TO ME IS SHAMELESS. YOU
ATTACKED
>ME WHEN ALL I DID WAS RECOMMEND A LIBRARY THAT I WROTE. GET A LIFE! YOUR
>JEALOUSY HOLDS YOU BACK!
<LOL>! It's a good thing you're here to tell me these things about myself.
>I DON'T THINK LIKE YOU...
This is indeed true.
>I DON'T CARE ABOUT
>GETTING CREDIT. A GUY NEEDS HELP, SO I SUGGEST MY OWN LIBRARY. BIG DEAL.
You have turned this into a "big deal" with your repeated postings and
childish behavior.
> I've figured it out though... Ralf wrote EDOM, he attacked me. Gabriel
is
>writing his own, he attacked me. My guess is that they're working together
>(or there is some hidden agenda) and will soon have a pretty good file IO
>library out. I'll be the better man and suggest the following. Good luck.
>If it's better than random.e, then good. We've made progress. I don't
care
>who gets the credit.
<ROTFLOL>!!!!!
I really liked the bit about a "hidden agenda" going on between Ralf and me
-- that one was just priceless.
>Ralf and Gabriel, if you reply to this, you're just showing how immature
you are.
Not nearly as immature as you have already shown yourself to be here.
>Hey guys, how about a truce. Let's put this behind us.
?!! You do not attack someone, make slanderous and highly presumptive
statements about them, and then expect to be able to call a truce. You have
insulted me, lied about me, and wasted everybody's time with your whining. I
do not consider it unreasonable to demand an apology.
Be seeing you,
Gabriel Boehme
4. Re: I'd like to clear my name
>From: Derek Brown <Tidefball at AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Tidefball at aol.com
>To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
>Subject: I'd like to clear my name
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:36:20 EDT
I've seen it all unfold: Derek did something (twice) he thought was
nice for us/Jesse ... and he gets all these flames. It's tiring to
have all these things in your inbox. Don't make it hard for him! And
we don't want to give newbies like Jessie Kint a bad impression!
Let's all grow up. Let's forget all this and get back to where we
were before. Apology accepted, Derek. And you deserve an apology as
well.
BTW I never imagined I would find this kind of action when I first
joined the list! I think a few of us who are 'the silent observers'
enjoyed the heat among you 'big guys' who run the show.. :(
Regards,
LW.
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